Comments on: Tegucigalpa – San Jose Accord

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:23:26 +0000

Do you mean fowl language or foul language?

Let’s try the clean version..

By: Administrator

Administrator — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:55:50 +0000

Thanks for the note; his posting has been deleted.

By: miraclemant

miraclemant — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:08:28 +0000

MUSU……please keep your fowl language out of your posting, or forgo posting if you can not keep it clean…….

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:20:13 +0000

~ THE VOTE WOULD BE A REELECTION BECAUSE IT IS A VOTE.
~ THE REINSTATMENT WOULD BE ILLEGAL BECAUS IT IS A RE-INSTATEMENT.
~ THE PRO-REINSTATMENT VOTERS WOULD THUS VIOLATE THE AGREEMENT (EXPLICITLY RESPECTING ARTICLE 239) BY SUPPORTING RE-INSTATEMENT EXPLICITLY FORBIDDEN BY ARTICLE 239 (EXPLICITLY RESPECTED BY THE AGREEMENT)

THE VOTE (ACCORDING TO THE AGREEMENT) CAN THUS NOT (AS ACCORDING TO THE AGREEMENT) RE-INSTATE ZELAYA.

THE AGREEMENT TIED THE HANDS OF PRO-ZELAYAS. THEY LOST AND THEY AGREED: SEE AGREEMENT

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:11:59 +0000

UNDER THIS CIRCUMSTANCES THE AGREEMENT IS NOT DISSMISSED BY ARTICLE 239.

MICHELETTI AND CO. – IN CONTRAST TO ZELAYA AND CO – DID NOT DELEGALIZE THEMSELVES (by virtue of article 239) BY ACCEPTING THE ACCORD.

SHOULD THE ACCORD, HOWEVER, BE INTERPRETED AS ALLOWING REINSTATEMENT OF ZELAYA; THEN THE ACCORD AND THEIR SUPPORTERS ARE DISMISSED BY ARTICLE 239.

ZELAYA IS OUT.
THE GAME IS OVER.

HAVE FUN
THUS

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:03:23 +0000

OH; SEE THE DETAILS:

“2. Regarding Renunciation of a Call for a National Constituent Assembly and Amending the Unamendable Articles of the Constitution

To achieve reconciliation and strengthen democracy, we reiterate our respect for the Constitution and the laws of our country, abstaining from calls for a National Constituent Assembly, either directly or indirectly, and also renouncing the promotion or support of any public consultation for the purpose of reforming the Constitution to permit presidential reelection, modify the form of Government or contravene any of the unamendable articles in our Founding Charter [constitution].

SINCE THAT IS PART OF THE ACCORD, NO AGREEING PARTY WAS TRYING TO AMEND ARTICLE 239.

THAT MEANS THAT NO AGREEING PARTY WANTS TO HAVE A REELECTION.
THE VOTE CAN THEREFORE – EVEN ACCORDING TO THE AGREEMENT – NOT HAVE A PRO RE_INSTANTION RESULT!

ZELAYA EAT THE LURE (THE VOTE) AND SWALLOWED CONCIOUSLY OR UNCONCIOUSLY THE FISHING GAFF: ACCEPTING ARTICLE 239 FORBIDING HIS ACTAL REELECTION!

In particular, we will not make public statements or exercise any sort of influence inconsistent with Articles 5, 239, 373 and 374 of the Constitution of the Republic of Honduras and we will energetically reject any expression contrary to the spirit of said articles and the Special Law to Regulate Referendums and Plebiscites.”

THAT MEANS THAT – AS ACCORDING TO ARTICLE 239 EXPLICITLY RESPECTED – NO PRO ZELAYA RESULT IS LEGALIZED EVEN BY THE AGREEMENT!

ISN’T IT NICE? ZELAYA RE-DELEGALIZED HIMSELF!

By: Al

Al — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:44:09 +0000

In the next few days we will see where this flagrant intromission into the sovereignty of Honduras on the part of the international community, especially the ALBA backed by the Obama government will take Honduras as a nation and as part of Latin America as a whole.

By: gonow

gonow — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:24:06 +0000

and while you are at it get ….. obama to change your financial system ….. that would be nice ….. i live in canada and in a few years i will get 50 lps for one canadian dollar………

By: gonow

gonow — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:04:41 +0000

if zelaya gets voted back in ..you must throw away your costitution ………… and ask obama and clinton…….to draw you up a new one….becouse you feel you are not able enough yet to it yourself and the ”wise” …”white”…father in washington must do it for you ……wonder why micheletti was so strong and honest about the constetution for a long time and than all oversudden changed….???$$$???

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:26:11 +0000

In view of Article 239, the “Agreement” has the chance to be legal at most when ist was clear from the beginning that the result of the vote could not be Zelayas reinstatement (see above mentioned explanation).

In this case however: Zelaya conciously agreed to dispense with something he had not even the right to have or even demand: the second presidency.

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:54:22 +0000

In Sum:

In view of Article 239 of the Honduran Constitution:
- (A) Zelaya cannot become legal President (under any circumstance)
- (B) Anyone voting or even intending to vote for Zelayas reinstatement is disqualified by the Honduran Constituition.
=>
The outcome of the vote (if legal at all) cannot be Zelayas reinstatment; since any pro Zeleaya voter is a priori disqualified by the Honduran Constitution.

So in any case: No Chance Amigo

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 13:17:06 +0000

And that is why I say: Follow your heart, not an Illusion Only just can you be free..

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:52:43 +0000

Only the fact that Zelaya was removed, he has been bagging to be reinstated, made it impoosible for him to become legal honduran president again.

He already lost his game then.
There was nothing to discuss.

Nothing will ever change this.

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:48:30 +0000

Everyone who supported the “Agreement” is dsiqualified by even cosidering respecting it

The “Agreement” has thus never been agreed to by Executive Forces

By: Musu

Musu — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:45:29 +0000

This is an legenat feature of the Honduran Constituition.

- Article 239 cannot be amended.
- Any violation and any attempt of violation of Article 239, be it explicitly or implicitly, leads to disqualification for 10 years.

Since the porposal had to be formulated before it has bee signed, and becaus it had to be proposed first, the proposing sinde could onlx propose it, by not being in executive power.
The proposal accepting side is also disqualified, since it supports the proposal.

Thus, under the Honduran constition, it is never the Executive that can agree on such a proposal

Under the Honduran Constition, The “Agreement” has been Propsed and Agreed by bpeople which are actually not in power

Zelaya will never be legitimate President of Honduras; never.