Honduras

Youth’s Opposing Views on Honduras


“Following the removal by a military coup of José Manuel Zelaya on 28 June, the people of Honduras have been engaging in a peaceful struggle for his restoration as president, for their rights, and for the convening of a constituent national assembly. Much is said about a possible military intervention by the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chávez; of a supposed wish by President Zelaya to perpetuate himself in power; and of Zelaya’s alleged crimes, but these are all being used simply to mask the real reasons for the coup.”–by
Xiomara Zelaya, the daughter of Manuel Zelaya, the ousted president of HondurasRead her view here

“…To the point, his removal from office was not only defensible, but also constitutionally required. Article 239 is very clear on this point: A chief executive guilty of seeking to extend his time in office must immediately cease his duties and refrain from holding public office for a period of 10 years. Viewed in this context, Zelaya’s ouster was no military coup, but rather the result of the nation’s constitutional protections at work. Although democratically elected, Zelaya intentionally violated the Honduran constitution in his quest to extend his time in office.” by Javier Jaramillo, University of Rochester Reade his view here

90 Responses to "Youth’s Opposing Views on Honduras"

  1. Free Honduras  September 21, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Meg –

    I trust the judgement and interpretation made by the highest court of your land, the court whose responsiblity it is to interpret and protect the constitution, much more than yours, Obama’s, the UN’s. and especially Chavez’s. No one in that group wants zelaya’s removal to stand becasue then they have to start thinking more about their actions againsts their constitutions. The supreme court issued the warrant and the military was given the task of carrying it out. That is not a coup d’etat. His arrest was legal. I think it is wounderful that he was arrested because every president of the world needs to realize that they are not above the law and the will of the people, wheather they are democrattically elected or not.

    To support Zelaya, his supports have now tried to illegitimize the Supreme Court, everyone in Congress, the military, the police, and now the very Constitution itself (“The ten rich families have changed the constitution since 1938 to 1989 many times.”) What’s next? I know, Hurricane Mitch was planned by the rich to keep the poor down and ready to do anything for work at any cost. It is all smoke and mirrors.

    Zelaya’s attempts to return were not honest attempts to comply with the arrest warrant, they were staged in the highest drama to prevent the military from taking him to jail without a large confrontation with the paid protesters, and many deaths. As it were, his first stunt resulted in one unfortunate death. If he is realy does not fear jail, he would reenter quietly and let the judicial system run its course.

    The military removed him to prevent violence. It was a choice, and no one will ever know how bad the situation may have become if they kept them in the country. However, flying the man out does not make this a coup d’etat no matter how much his supporters would like it to be one so they can illegitimize his removal. Unforetunaltely, no matter how much they complain and try to illegitimize the other powers of government and the Constitution, he commited a crime, automatically ceased to be president under the Supreme Court Ruling, and was arrested. The military is not in charge, and the same political party holds the power. That is not a coup d’etat.

    Stop the denial and wishful thinking. The man was legally and justly removed, taken out of the country for his safety and the safety of hondurans, and can never no should ever be president again.

    – Free Honduras. I love facts, the great propaganda destroyer.

  2. honduras94@aol.com  September 21, 2009 at 9:56 am

    The smartest thing I have seen from Meg and she is right about it!
    Give opinions and receive them. Do not criticize others and allow others opinions.
    That said it works both ways.
    Do not chase her away or we will miss her like we miss GG

  3. honduras94@aol.com  September 21, 2009 at 9:54 am

    The constitution was being changed to rob the rich and the poor and steal the country for life. We have already seen this playbook in other countries.

    http://www.hacer.org/report/2009/07/venezuela-chavez-adventure-in-honduras.html
    explains the alba,oas connection and the playbook to dismantle democracies with cheap oil

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/07/17/the_ghost_of_che
    the ghost of che gavara
    explains the alba movement and how it is hiding behind democracy

    If Zelaya was taken to jail like ordinary citizens there would have been many dead Hondurans. Chavez had already planned what do if there was an arrest including the pajamas.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124744094880829815.html
    ogrady why they put zelaya out of the country

    http://hondurasabandoned.blogspot.com/2009/07/did-chavez-have-influence-on-sundays.html
    chavez playbook to provoke riot at airport
    http://honduransforfreedom.blogspot.com/2009/07/higo-chavezs-plan-for-honduras.html
    hugo chavez plan for civil war in honduras

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRGCkac8FlU
    coburn video stating 1000 venezuelan enter with honduran passports(fake)
    and argument against the white house position
    http://blog.aeortiz.com/2009/09/hillarys-lexical-crisis.html
    they decided they would call it a coup when they saw it coming
    they know it is a lie but that people would run with it.
    from the hitler playbook.

  4. Meg  September 20, 2009 at 9:53 pm

    Rob, you make a lot of nonsense comments that I ignore because is not even worthy it to respond to you.

    You also made a comment that I needed to be shut up. If you are really fighting for democracy, wanted to shut up someone is not the action of someone who believe in democracy; It is the action of a dictator totalitarian mentality, that do not want to hear the truth. So, Rob, I think that you are a little confuse and need to pick a side.

    You also said that you went to private school in Honduras and had rich friends. I think that your parents waste their money in private school for you. And I do believe that you were around rich kids, because have money do not make then smart.

    Carlos M, you said a lot of things that do not make any sense, but you have also criticized my spelling. Sweetheart, people who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

    Kent, In a way I agree with you that new companies bring more jobs for the Honduras’ people. The problem with that, is that they use that excuse to take advantage of the people and pay them less of what is required by law.

    Esteban, you criticize the way I paste, well sweetheart, instead criticizing my entry why don’t you stay your arguments. Remember this is not an English class and your writing is not perfect ether. Just stay your argument and receive other people arguments with an open mine.

    Free Honduras, we have explained to you many times that bring charges to someone and take him/her to jail is legal, what is not legal, is to take the president of a free nation, in his pajamas in the middle of the night to a foreign base and fly him to another country. The constitution is very clear and specific when an action like a coup has being committed. If they were so sure of his crimes, why not take him to court instead to fly him far away from home, think of that one.
    The Micheletti government, web a bunch of lies to implicate him and created a bunch of false accusations to justify what they did. They have not been able to proof anything. I think that you need to see this with an open mine. The fact that two of the branches of the government participated do not make it legal, on the contrary it make it suspicious. For your information the ten families implicated in the coup are rich families that did not want the president to change the constitution to favor the poor. The ten rich families have changed the constitution since 1938 to 1989 many times. No body have oppose them, because they are the one’s with the power and they change the constitution to meet their needs not the needs of the people.

    Someone of you said why has he not going back to Honduras, well the Micheletti government do not let him enter, because they are afraid that they will be ask to prove their case and they have no case.

    –edited by admin

  5. concerned  September 20, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    No…His father taught him how to manipulate the lumber market…Take a look at GIBSON guitars and see where they buy the wood for their guitars….His father also taught him how to SILENCE his opposition…I have had numerous death threats and can trace back to the family.

  6. honduras94@aol.com  September 20, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    If he stayed in college for that long without passing very many classes he must have stuck around sell drugs?

  7. Canuk in Honduras  September 20, 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Concerned– I believe that the pass mark was 70% then just as it is now?
    Anyone can pass courses in University it just takes work. But, Mel never liked to work, that’s why he never functioned properly in his job as President. Not endorsing or vetoing 96 Bills that had been sent him by the Congress over 31/2 years etc.

  8. concerned  September 20, 2009 at 6:48 pm

    Also this was as of 5/9/2009 way before anything was taking place. The highest grade was a 64% in TOPOGRAPHY…..Most scores are 0’s, in 5 1/2 years…..What a leader….But he can tell you 64% where to land drugs from Venezuela.

  9. concerned  September 20, 2009 at 6:32 pm

    Yes…Direct from UNAH

  10. Canuk in Honduras  September 20, 2009 at 6:04 pm

    Concerned – – Thank you, as I said Wikipedia, a very unreliable source. 5 1/2 years for no credits makes him even less of a “Budding Genius.” Do you have a source by chance?

  11. Rob  September 20, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    ahahah what a loser

  12. concerned  September 20, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    Canuk….Mel didnt go only 4 years….He went 5 1/2 years and never had a passing grade….He never got as far as taking advanced classes either…I will forward to honduras94 .

  13. Rob  September 20, 2009 at 5:05 pm

    we do not better? At least we make BETTER sense. You fail at English.

    Im a golpista YAY

  14. Meg  September 19, 2009 at 9:05 pm

    Carlos Garcias III, well said. Some times I ignore the comments and insult the golpistas made, because they do not better.

  15. Hondo the Honduran freedom fighter  September 19, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Leftist, you need to grab a lifeline and hang on. I would start by reading Free To Choose by Milton Friedman, to understand the basic nature of free markets. Dr. Friedman was the most respected economist of his time and a Nobel prize winner for economics. This is a very readable book. the following are the chapter headings:
    1. The Power of the Market
    2. The tyranny of Controls
    3. The Anatomy of Crisis
    4. Cradle to Grave
    5. Created Equal
    6. What’s Wrong with Our Schools?
    7. Who Protects the Consumer?
    8. Who Protects the Worker?
    9. The Cure for Inflation
    10. The Tide is Turning

    If you have not read this book, published in 1979 and still in print (a classic), you cannot call yourselves eduacted and objective.

  16. Rob  September 19, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Canuk in Honduras, I cant remember where I heard that he only took 6 classes. But I wouldnt doubt that he took none.

    I went to a private school in Honduras also and I had a few rich friends who paid to get their HS diploma, so when you say that mel did the same thing it wouldnt surprise me one bit.

    All in all I fully believe donkey man did win his election thru fraud, now how he got elected as a candidate for the liberal party…bribery maybe??

  17. Hondo the Honduran freedom fighter  September 19, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Leftest, try to grab a lifeline and hold on. You can see the light. Their are no examples of mature capitalist (Milton Friedman) right wingers turning to the left, unless its because of corruption. What the poor need is a transparent government, and security, for free markets to be able to do their thing. With moral, humble servants in leadership, the poor will be elevated, with the creation of the great middle class. Promote fair compitition, provide safe enviornment for investment, provide sound education, not leftist delusion, and the poor will thrive, for this is God’s blessing. Little Honduras is a bright light, in these dark times and many in America especially now can appreciate this. Let Obama fall with Chavez. The right wing media is starting to notice Honduras. Greta Vansestern, Rush, Savage.

  18. Al  September 19, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    What kind of stuff is Z’liar’s daughter smoking?Must be really good stuff, ’cause it even makes her write in English like a pro-z’liar.

  19. Al  September 19, 2009 at 4:11 pm

    We are just very happy that LA CHUZMA was not able to take over Honduras like they did in Cuba, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua so far, and tried to in Argentina, with all the “maletines” containing drug infected money that are passed around in Latin America nowadays. Let’s face it. Hondurans have a lot of class and courage that other countries don’t.
    So, leave us alone. We don’t need you!

  20. Al  September 19, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    I wonder who (actually) wrote the article. Too much brains for a communist….

  21. Canuk in Honduras  September 19, 2009 at 3:42 pm

    The Saga of Mel’s education
    For me, the academic scandal first surfaced during Mel’s presidential campaign in 2005.
    Apparently Mel had, for a number of years, been utilizing the title of “Engineer,” without having the necessary academic qualifications to earn that title. That fraudulent behavior should have warned the electorate but Mel (admitted) bought enough votes to swing the election.

    Although, Mel’s academic records have been almost impossible to access, I have spoken to a number of his contemporaries. One old friend who also claimed to be Mel’s classmate said that Mel had been a poor student, that he seemed able enough but was too lazy to do the necessary work . This individual who seemed to admire Mel’s achievements, also said that he didn’t believe that Mel’s graduation diploma was legitimate. Since they attended a private school and Mel’s family was quite wealthy he was sure a monetary sum was exchanged and Mel ended up with a High School diploma.
    A former classmate can recall Mel registering at the University but can never remember him ever attending a class or writing an exam. Not one person (to whom I have spoken) who would have been a civil Eng classmate, can remember seeing Mel in class. Therefore, it was a surprise when Rob posted that Mel had taken 6 accredited college courses. Maybe he got those credits the same way he allegedly got his High School Diploma.

    Wikipedia, a very unreliable source, has given Zelaya the best academic record to date, stated:

    “He studied civil engineering in The National University of Honduras (UNAH), but left after four years with 11 courses completed {he went home…}

    UNAH uses a two semester system, a Civil Eng student needs to pass six courses per semester in order to graduate in four years. Therefore, Mel managed to accumulate less than one year’s worth of credits in a four year period. Not what you would describe as a “budding genius.”

  22. Chris  September 19, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    Honduras will soon be a much better country with all the worldwide exposure. The government along with the Honduran people have shown their strength of not giving in to other countries demands and bullying.
    Honduras is finally on the map !!
    This difficult situation will bring foreign investors like Costa Rica back in the day…………

  23. Rob  September 19, 2009 at 11:08 am

    He took 6 accredited college courses. Funny how when the earthquake hit honduras they interviewed him and he said, “Yea when i started my engineering degree….bla bla. He only took the basic general studies classes like math and philosophy. Hhahaah he fails at life

  24. honduras94@aol.com  September 19, 2009 at 10:30 am

    Meg can you enlighten us on the education of Mel Zelaya? I understand he was a college drop out. That was a local college drop out. Why wouldn’t somebody from the elite oligarchy not go and get a world class education in a place like the USA or perhaps London? The saddest thing is how did a society get manipulated into voting for and supporting a college drop out. I could understand if he started out poor or middle class and it was not an option but that is not the case.

  25. Bay Islands Boy  September 19, 2009 at 9:34 am

    If as you say Mel is a great guy, could you explain how it happened that we had 900 workers from Guatemala here to build the new mall. How is it without the help of the presidents office that labor laws may be broken to that degree. This mall was started while Mel was in power, he allowed this to happen. No where in the world would this be allowed. How can you say that Mel is a friend of the workers of Honduras when he allowed 900 workers into Honduras to do work so despirately needed by his own people?????

  26. Sal  September 19, 2009 at 6:12 am

    Paraguay cancels US troop deal Yes Senorita Hilary another brilliant plan gone awry This is what happens when you go around appeasing people like Chavez they simply intimidate others. if it sounds and looks familiar it is what happen in 1939 in Europe with Hitler only difference he was intelligent and chavez is just a bully

  27. Canuk in Honduras  September 19, 2009 at 12:35 am

    Carlos Garcia III wrote// Sep 18, 2009 at 5:38 pm
    “Meg – these people seem to be hopeless. Many of them are probably Americans who have retired in the Honduras – because there it’s like paradise for them. They can live like royalty and have servants at the slave wages of under $2.00 per hour.”

    People reveal an enormous amount about themselves in their submissions. Many people think that they are being exceedingly clever when they make outlandish comments; but the revers is actually true.
    In your case: First you show insecurity by calling on Meg for support. Then because you are unable to refute the facts of other people’s arguments you attack THEM personally. That’s called, killing the messenger.This is extremely unsophisticated , the type of comment one would encounter in High School.
    If you wish to make a point, then base it on facts, as follows:
    Example one: “Videos and documented evidence confirm that Mel stole millions of Lempiras from the Honduran people.” This is common knowledge so you don’t need to state the source.
    Example two “According to article 321 of the Honduras constitution the Armed Forces were not obligated to assist Mel with the distribution of voting material because the Supreme Court had deemed it illegal.” This is not common knowledge so you must state the source.
    Furthermore, you must also ensure that your sources are credible, primary sources like the constitution are fine, but biased publications such as “El Libertador” have little or no value.
    If you submit sensible, substantiated comments they will be well received and treated with respect. Good Luck

  28. Rob  September 18, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    math dont lie even….

  29. Miraclemant  September 18, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    GG…. you just don’t get it….. we don’t hate Chavez, we don’t even know him.

    what we DO hate are his socialistic ways, his destroying his own country and people, and then trying to export his socialist agendas to other want-to-be dictators in other countries.

  30. Rob  September 18, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    funny, all these morons with the III after their name are the same person.
    melistas are the minorities in all honduras. From what I hear Honduras is pretty much back to normal. If Mel was really as loved as these clowns are saying he is, the entire country would be wanting his return. And from the past marches the mel supporters biggest rally only involved like 2000 ppl, half whom were paid to be there but lets give them the benefit of the doubt.

    The anti mel marches have been over 10,000 ppl in one city alone. Hmmm that makes the pro narco mel the minority….math dont like kids.

    and GG, quit with the name changing.

  31. Carlos Garcia III  September 18, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Bless the golpista’s hearts, they must think that Jesus and the ideas of reincarnation or life after death are fictitious creations of the church, that there is no reason to treat other people as you’d like to be treated, and that those who amass the biggest pile of money are the brightest and best of men.

    The hatred that they hold for Hugo Chavez (and any of their brothers) and the fear that they have of true dem0cracy poisons their minds, and renders them temporarily insane. The truth would set them free, but the poor devils are in denial.

  32. concerned  September 18, 2009 at 8:32 pm

    Carlos GarciaIII….
    And you agree with Mel spending so far that they have recorded $32.5 million? That sure could of fed alot of the poor people in Honduras for weeks, no?

    To me education is the key. State laws should make limits more than 6th grade. More than that look at the teachers, even during Mel’s term they were always striking. And they strike for any reason, not only for their displeasure of their pay but for anything they can find in the newspaper.The teachers main goal in the country should be to educate the children of the country…What do the kids learn now?

  33. Esteban  September 18, 2009 at 7:24 pm

    Meg could paste 100 pages for El Libertador on this web sight and it would not make it a valid source. That paper saves money on reporters by writing fiction. Everyone knows that El Libertador is the mouth piece of Zelaya. brick bat boy is right. we owe a vote of thanks to these people on the Zelaya enemies list. if ythey did help the want-a-be dictator Zelaya out of the country they also halped to preserve the Consistution and the Republic as well.

    The election is only 72 days away. Time is running out for those that want government by whim and intimidation instead of law.

  34. Rob  September 18, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    Hey CG…I could say the EXACT SAME THING about you and your views. *sigh* melistas are just not that bright.

  35. Carlos Garcia III  September 18, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Meg – these people seem to be hopeless. Many of them are probably Americans who have retired in the Honduras – because there it’s like paradise for them. They can live like royalty and have servants at the slave wages of under $2.00 per hour.

    Apparently they are unable to feel empathy for others, and feel threatened by change and true democracy. It seems that they like to feel superior to some people. Perhaps it makes them feel good to treat Honduran workers like animals.

    Arguing with them is like arguing with a fundamentalist Christian fanatic. It’s a total waste of time, because they “know” that their view is the only valid view.

    Just as sure as slavery, sexism, and racism are slowly but surely being removed from our civilization, they are destined to lose the battle.

  36. Miraclemant  September 18, 2009 at 4:22 pm

    Sir Castrovilla III….. it sound to me that you believe in the statement….”from each according to his ability, to each according to his need”

    Do you even know where this statement came from???

  37. Axel Reyes  September 18, 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Ha, ha , ha.

    Every day this goes on, it only proves the same thing over and over again.

    The ones supporting Zelaya simply wont admit his guilt, no matter what proof you present to them they wont admit that selling the country to Chavez and cronnies is bad, and they wont admit that most Hondurans are anti-socialist.

    Any Honduran that loves his country and its people will readilly admit that Honduras needs social changes for the betterment of its people, but we do not believe that SOCIALISM is the answer.

    You want to live in a better Honduras, then you need to fight corruption and ignorance, and crime, and the gangs, and narcotraffic, of this later one Zelaya’s brother is a big capo by the way (Meg?).

    The was no coup, but if you are unhappy that the move that was made was to stop the advance of communism, well, learn to live with it, Honduras has never seen it as a solution.

  38. Axel Reyes  September 18, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    That being the case, why are the leftist resistors stopping Honduran kids from going to school?

  39. Axel Reyes  September 18, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Meg, you are very much right about the difference in between people according to education.

  40. tony  September 18, 2009 at 1:21 pm

    castro……….if mel is innesent why does he not come back and demand his day in court i am sure hugo would pay his lawyer bills ………

  41. miguel sanchez  September 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    I see ya deh Comrade Megg fool with you you know wha going on girl Question is somebody has to own these things who do you want to own it private industry who will run it effeciently and properly or Governments who world wide are notorious for corrupt frequently waste or mismanagement of anything they get their hands Come on Megg you know this tell you what you know in these perfect countries that you guys idolize who gets the best in the country is the in circle of leadership or politburo. Does it look like Chavez is starving you see the size of him. not everybody can be rich Megg unrealistic has to be poor people in this world to make worth living.

  42. brick bay boy  September 18, 2009 at 12:38 pm

    Hi Meg

    Thanks so much for the list of those that we need to thank for keeping Honduras free and democratic. Mel should thank them too because if this had been a military coup of years past he could have got a bullet not a plane ride

  43. Kent  September 18, 2009 at 12:09 pm

    Meg, In a growing country a country like Honduras that is coming out of poverty, hopefully, to take a place on the world stage it is always a few people with the wealth. They help build the country. What is your point listing all the ownerships? If you looked at the US when it was about the same place economically it was less than 10 families that controlled the wealth. A better question would be, how many jobs do these people create with their investment and ownership of these companies. What are you saying, that you want some of their money, you want one of their businesses? Why didnt YOU buy the KFC franchise? Why dont YOU start a bank? Why dont YOU become a developer. A poor man has never given me a job.

  44. Free Honduras  September 18, 2009 at 11:58 am

    The first half of my post was cut off.

    In a perfect world, Zelaya would have been taken to jail, and bail set or not. And he would have been tried. It was a mistake to take him out of the country. I agree with that, but I also do not know all the reasons behind that decision. There is a lot of fear in Honduras regarding Hugo Chavez’s reactions and whether he would invade Honduras to free zelaya. Chavez builds up this fear on through his retoric, and for a small country like Honduras, they have to take it seriously. It seems that it appeared safer for everyone, including Zelaya, to remove him from the country, but I am speculating. He is free to return peacefully, not surrounded by a mob, and be taken to jail to await trial.

    In a civilized world, presidents obey the rule of law and uphold the Constitution of their land. They do not form mobs and start near riots.

    The Honduran Government has a right to be heard. Thanks to the efforts of Chavez, they are not being allowed that right while leaders from other countries that are in place and under military rule are represented in the UN. The hypocracy is undeniable.

    Free Honduras. Stop the Zelaya Lies.

  45. Free Honduras  September 18, 2009 at 11:45 am

    Being presented with the Charges, they were on the arrest warrent which he had been aware of for some time. He knew why he was being arrested.

    SC III
    What civilized world are you taking about? Venezuela where in civility Chavez funded mobs attack independant TV stations. Where workers are forced to join a political group or loose their jobs. Where governors are stripped of their budgets simply because they oppose the oppresive president dictator.

    Micheletti is legit. He was appointed by the Congress in legal Constitutional succession. The government did nothing in secret. As for guerillas, he has done nothing like the murderous Che Guevera. No 24 hour killings of oposition menbers, as Che did in Cuba, no forcing of the peseasts to support a guerilla war, as Che did in Cuba.
    Enemies of people, truth and democracy. This is an absolutely empty statement sinse it has no evidence to support it. On the other hand, the government is calling for regular scheduled elections. They are calling on the humanitarian agencies to continue funding aid. They are reapprapiating the missapropiated Zelaya funds to what they were ment for, to support services for the people.

    Now, you have failed to answer my question. Where in the Constitution does it state that the President is above the law?

    Show me SC III. Show me.

    – Free Honduras. Stop the Zelaya Lies and Chavez Infiltration

  46. Sir Castrovilla III  September 18, 2009 at 11:26 am

    Free Honduras:

    In case you don’t know, usually in the civilized world when criminals are arrested, they are taken to jail. Not given a free flight out of the country. They are usually made aware of the charges against them, and are able to get a lawyer and to respond to the charges.

    They are usually presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    The guerilla Michiletti regime isn’t legit. They are enemies of the people, the truth, and democracy. They need to do some time in prison for their crazy escapades.

  47. Free Honduras  September 18, 2009 at 11:19 am

    SC III –

    So by your logic, any time the police arrest someone under warrent, it is kidnapping? Or is only kidnapping if people say he was a great person? Or is only kidnapping if he is an elected official? Or is it kidnapping because they used guns to make the person being arrested comply? Is it kidnapping because he was in his pajamans? If that was the case, then every person who is ever arrested was kidnapped and should be excused of their crimes, right?

    I don’t think so. Their has been wide agreement that flying Zelaya out of the country was a poor decision. However, the original arrest was performed in compliance with an arrest warrent issued by a judge in good standing, which makes it legal. I consider no elected official, elected through corruption or by majority, to be above the law. Where in the Constitution does it say that the president is above the law? Show me, and the situation changes.

    People say that they should not have arrested him in his pajamas and and at gun point. Well, the best way to have an arrest that is quick and poses the least danger for civilians is one that is done at off hours, with force, and quickly. It may have been humiliating for Zelaya, but it saved lives. Unfortunately, he had already proved his refusal to obey the law of the land and his willingness to form unruly mobs.

    So, when you get arrested, try the I was kidnapped defense and see how far it gets you.

    – Free Honduras

  48. Meg  September 18, 2009 at 11:13 am

    GLN, here are the 10 families that finance the coup. I am sorry if it is not translate in English, but maybe someone can translate for you. Their names and all the assesst they have is mentioned in this article. I hope this i s what you looking for.

    ¡Conozca las diez familias que financiaron el golpe de Estado en Honduras!
    06/08/2009 08:06:00 El Libertador
    TamaÒo de la fuente:
    “Fue planeado por un grupo empresarial liderado por Carlos Roberto Facussé, dueño del periódico ‘La Tribuna’, que junto con ‘La Prensa’, ‘El Heraldo’, los canales de TV 2, 3, 5 y 9 fueron el pilar fundamental del golpe”. El resto de las familias opuestas a al Presidente Zelaya, y que controlan el 90 por ciento de la riqueza que produce el país, son: José Rafael Ferrari, Juan Canahuati, el financiero Camilo Atala, el maderero José Lamas y otros”, explicó en una mesa redonda la experta en temas militares, Leticia Salomón.

    Edición* / EL LIBERTADOR

    Tegucigalpa. La mayor experta en temas militares de Honduras, la investigadora de la Universidad Nacional, Leticia Salomón, destapó los entresijos del golpe de Estado. Y lo explicó como un detalle sin importancia ante una concurrida audiencia presente en una mesa redonda: “Fue planeado por un grupo empresarial liderado por Carlos Roberto Facussé, ex presidente de Honduras (1998-2002) y dueño del periódico ‘La Tribuna’, que junto con ‘La Prensa’, ‘El Heraldo’, los canales de TV 2, 3, 5 y 9 fueron el pilar fundamental del golpe”. El resto de las familias que apoyaron el golpe contra Zelaya y que controlan el 90 por ciento de la riqueza que produce el país son: José Rafael Ferrari, Juan Canahuati, el financiero Camilo Atala, el maderero José Lamas, el empresario energético Fredy Násser, Jacobo Kattán, el industrial azucarero Guillermo Lippman y el constructor Rafael Flores.
    Un personaje fundamental en esta conspiración fue el magnate Miguel Facussé, condecorado por el Senado colombiano en 2004 con la Orden Mérito a la Democracia, y quien hoy monopoliza el negocio de la palma aceitera y en 1992 apoyó la compra de tierras a los campesinos a menos del 10 por ciento de su valor real.

    FONDOS DE TELETON USADOS PARA EL GOLPE

    Al conocer la participación de gente en el golpe de Estado contra Zelaya, entre otros, Jorge Canahuati Larach, José Rafael Ferrari y Carlos Flores Facussé, se deduce el porqué el Tribunal Superior de Cuentas (TSC), jamás ha realizado una auditoría de los fondos públicos que cada año recauda la Teletón; dinero que ha aportado mucha gente de buena fe, pero que Ferrari y Canahuati los han utilizado para destruir el débil Estado de Derecho que tenía Honduras”.

    CONSUMIDORES: CASTIGUEMOS A LOS QUE FINANCIARON EL GOLPE DE ESTADO EN HONDURAS. EL DINERO QUE LES HEMOS DADO AL COMPRAR SUS PRODUCTOS HA SIDO UTILIZADO PARA TRAICIONARNOS, REPRIMIR Y MATAR A NUESTROS COMPATRIOTAS. ¡CONOZCÁNLOS!

    DIARIOS, REVISTAS E IMPRENTAS
    1- La Prensa (Jorge Canahuati Larach)

    2- El Heraldo (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    3- Diez (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    4- La Tribuna (Carlos Flores Facussé)
    5- Hablemos Claro (Rodrigo Wong Arévalo)
    6- Hablemos Claro Financiera (Rodrigo Wong Arévalo)
    7- As Deportiva (Rodrigo Wong Arévalo)
    8- Cromos (Rodrigo Wong Arévalo)
    9- Estilo (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    10- Lithopress Industrial (Carlos Flores Facussé)

    TV, CABLE, INTERNET Y TELEFONÍA
    1- Grupo Televicentro (Rafael Ferrari)
    2- Canal 5 (Rafael Ferrari)
    3- Telecadena, 7y4 (Rafael Ferrari)
    4- Telesistema, 3y7 (Rafael Ferrari)
    5- MegaTV (Rafael Ferrari)
    6- Canal 10 o TEN (Rodrigo Wong Arévalo)
    7- Canal 54 (Jorge Faraj, Camilo Atala)
    8- Multivisión (Rafael Ferrari)
    9- Multidata (Rafael Ferrari)
    10- Multifon (Rafael Ferrari)
    11- Televicentro Online (Rafael Ferrari)
    12- Tigo-Celtel (Antonio Tavel Otero)
    13- Telemás (Gabriela Núñez)
    14- 45TV, La Ceiba (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    15- Televisión 8, Tela (Rodolfo Irías Navas)

    LAS RADIOS
    1- Emisoras Unidas (Rafael Ferrari)
    2- HRN (Rafael Ferrari)
    3- Radio Norte (Rafael Ferrari)
    4- Suave FM (Rafael Ferrari)
    5- Rock n’ Pop (Rafael Ferrari)
    6- Vox FM (Rafael Ferrari)
    7- XY (Rafael Ferrari)
    8- 94 FM (Rafael Ferrari)
    9- Radio Satélite (Rafael Ferrari)
    10- Radio Caribe (Rafael Ferrari)
    11- Radio Centro (Rafael Ferrari)
    12- Audiovideo (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    13- Radio América (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    14- Radio San Pedro (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    15- Súper 100 (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    16- La Moderna (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    17- Radio La Ceiba (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    18- Comunicaciones del Atlántico (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    19- Radio El Patio, La Ceiba (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    20- Stereo 92, La Ceiba, (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    21- Stereo 102.5, La Ceiba, (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    22- Romántica, 103.5 FM, La Ceiba (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    23- Radio Aguán, Colón (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    24- 92.7 FM , Tela (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    25- 91.5 FM , Tela (Rodolfo Irías Navas)

    COMIDAS, BEBIDAS Y CHURROS
    1- Burger King (Rafael Ferrari)
    2- Little Caesar’s (Rafael Ferrari)
    3- Church’s Chicken (Rafael Ferrari)
    4- Popeyes (Rafael Ferrari)
    5- Dunkin’ Donuts (Rafael Ferrari)
    6- Baskin Robbins (Rafael Ferrari)
    7- Pollo Campero (Rafael Ferrari)
    8- Chilli’s (Rafael Ferrari)
    9- Pizza Hut (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    10- Kentucky (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    11- Agua Azul (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    12- Aquafina (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    13- Pepsi (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    14- Seven Up (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    15- Mirinda Naranja (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    16- Mirinda Uva (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    17- Teem (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    18- Enjoy (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    19- Adrenaline (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    20- Gatorade (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    21- Quanty (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    22- Be-Light (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    23- Link (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    24- SoBe Energy (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    25- Té Lipton envasado (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    26- Yummies Zambos, tajaditas y yuquitas (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    27- Yummies Ranchitas, nachos y jalapeños (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    28- Cappy, maíz con queso, gorditos y tornitos (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    29- Zibas, papas y anillitos de papa (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    30- Ziba’s Costi Rica, papas fritas (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    31- Ziba’s francesa, papas a la francesa (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    32- Taco del Rancho, picante, jalapeño y barbacoa (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    33- Chicharrones del Rancho, limón y picosito (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    34- Mazola, aceite y margarina, manteca Pura (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    35- Íssima, pasta de tomate La Rojita y Sofrito (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    36- Íssima, salsas para pastas Ranchera (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    37- Íssima, salsas para pastas Tomate y Albahaca (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    38- Íssima, salsas para pastas Con hongos y 3 quesos (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    39- Íssima, Ketchup (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    40- Issima, sopas de pollo, camarón y resollo Oriental (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    41- Íssima, spaguetti y tallarines (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    42- Íssima, consomé de gallina y de pollo (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    43- Leche Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    44- Leche La Pradera (Schucry Kafie)
    45- Leche en polvo Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    46- Malteadas Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    47- Jugos de naranja y fruta Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    48- Bebida Fristy Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    49- Queso, quesillo, requesón Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    50- Queso Cheddar, Gouda, Edam y Pecorino Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    51- Mantequilla crema Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    52- Margarina Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    53- Mozarrella Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    54- Yogurt Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    55- Yogurt Gaymonts y Lait (Schucry Kafie)
    56- Agua Sula (Schucry Kafie)
    57- Frutas y vegetales Áltima (Miguel Facussé Barjum)

    BANCOS, CORPORACIONES, CONSORCIOS Y MANUFACTURAS
    1- Grupo Ficohsa (Jorge Faraj Rishmagüi, Camilo Atala Faraj)
    2- Banco Ficohsa (Jorge Faraj, Camilo Atala)
    3- Interamericana de Seguros (Jorge Faraj, Camilo Atala)
    4- Ficohsa Express (Jorge Faraj, Camilo Atala)
    5- PSI, Proyectos y Servicios Inmobiliarios (Jorge Faraj, Camilo Atala)
    6- Dicorp, divisas corporativas (Jorge Faraj, Camilo Atala)
    7- Fundación Ficohsa (Jorge Faraj, Camilo Atala)
    8- Grupo Terra (Freddy Nasser)
    9- Asin (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    10- Grupo Roble (Ricardo Maduro Joest)
    11- Fondo Hondureño de Inversión Turística (Bahía de Tela) (Rafael Ferrari)
    12- Teletón (Rafael Ferrari)
    13- Grupo Dinant, antes Corporación Cressida (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    14- Químicas Magna (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    15- Cressida Industrial (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    16- Químicas Láser (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    17- Alimentos Dixie (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    18- Lactohsa (Schucry Kafie)
    19- Corinsa (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    20- Grupo Televicentro (Rafael Ferrari)
    21- Emisoras Unidas (Rafael Ferrari y Villeda Toledo)
    22- Audiovideo (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    23- Exportadora del Atlántico (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    24- Embotelladora de Sula (Jorge Canahuati y Jorge Larach)
    25- Comunicaciones del Atlántico (Rodolfo Irías Navas)
    26- Fundación Covelo (Adolfo Facussé)
    27- Banco Covelo (Adolfo Facussé)

    ENERGÍA Y COMBUSTIBLE
    1- Emce (Freddy Nasser)
    2- Enersa, planta termoeléctrica (Freddy Nasser)
    3- Río Blanco, planta termoeléctrica (Freddy Nasser)
    4- Lufussa, planta termoeléctrica (Schucry Kafie)
    5- Elcosa, planta termoeléctrica (Freddy Nasser)
    6- Petróleos de Honduras (Hondupetrol) (Freddy Nasser)
    7- Gasolineras Uno (Freddy Nasser)
    8- Empresa Transporte y Maquinaria (Tramaq) (Freddy Nasser)
    9- Energía y Transmisión (Enetran) (Freddy Nasser)
    10- Semeh (Rafael Ferrari, Arturo Corrales)
    11- Dinapower, biocombustible (Miguel Facussé Barjum)

    MALL, SÚPER, TIENDAS Y ACCESORIOS
    1- Supermercado La Colonia (Mario Faraj)
    2- Jestereo (Ricardo Maduro Joest)
    3- La Curacao (Ricardo Maduro Joest)
    4- Tropigas (Ricardo Maduro Joest)
    5- Mall Multiplaza (Ricardo Maduro Joest)
    6- Diunsa (Mario Faraj)
    7- Eleganza (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    8- Jorge J. Larach & Cía. (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    9- Comercial Larach (Jorge Canahuati Larach)
    10- Proconsumo, (Kiwi, chimicol) (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    11- Xedex (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    12- Audaz (Miguel Facussé Barjum)
    13- Ganex (Miguel Facussé Barjum)

    MEDICINAS Y FARMACIAS
    1- Laboratorios Finlay (Jorge Canahuati)
    2- Infarma (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    3- Mandofer (Miguel Andonie Fernández)
    4- Farmacia Regis (Miguel Andonie Fernández)

    TEXTILES Y MAQUILAS
    1- Grupo Lovable (Juan, Jesús y Mario Canahuati)
    2- Textiles Río Lindo (Adolfo Facussé)

    HOTELES
    1- Intercontinental (Ricardo Maduro Joest)

    TRANSPORTE AÉREO Y TERRESTRE
    1- Inter Airports (Freddy Nasser)
    2- Catisa (Roberto Micheletti Baín)
    3- Tupsa (Roberto Micheletti Baín)
    4- Trasul, (Roberto Micheletti Baín)

    EQUIPOS DE FÚTBOL
    1- Olimpia (Rafael Ferrari)
    2- Motagua (Camilo Atala y Pedro Atala)
    3- Selección de Honduras (Rafael Ferrari, Atala, Rafael Callejas, Faraj, Kaffati)

    */ La fuente de la mayor parte de datos ha sido: http://www.rebelion.org

  49. Charles in La Ceiba  September 18, 2009 at 11:02 am

    I think if the government is wise with the money it has Honduras will pull through with no problem. All of the money that Honduras receives from other governments is stolen anyway. The poor never sees it.

  50. Meg  September 18, 2009 at 10:50 am

    Sir Castrovilla III, that is exacly my point! How can people who support the government of Micheletti, believe, that the coup was lligal and protected by the constitution. In order for them to make Zelaya’s removal legitimate, they had to take him to trial, prove his crimes and then remove him, that is ligal. What they did is against the constitution and they will pay for , wether they act with good intentions or not.

  51. Meg  September 18, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Alex Reyes, I agree with the last comment you made in your entry:
    “we have equal rights, as well as equal responsabilities and duties, but some people show qualities that others lack, so we are not really equal”.
    however, I desagree with some of your oppinions, but I respect them. I want to make an observation on the last part of your comment.In terms of qualities is normal that we are not the same, that is, because we grew up in different environments. How we develope has to do with our birth trades and the environment. Thats why we are so different from each other. When we talk about equality, we refer to rights, benefits and our place in the planet. Thank you for your remarks.

    Rob, thank you for pointting out my mistakes. However, we all make mistakes, thats why we are human being. Perfect people do not live in our planet. Otherwise, all the problems of our planet will be solve. Not only that, wich is not wrong, but be who we are is what make us interenting and present challenges for all of us, so we all can develope our intellect.

    Free Honduras, I have great respect for you, your entries are very well express and with dignity. Good job! That does not meant that I agree with some of your ideas, but I respect them as you respect mine.

  52. Sir Castrovilla III  September 18, 2009 at 10:05 am

    Kidnapping the democratically elected president in the middle of the night, forcing him out of the country at gunpoint accompanied by death threats in his pajamas – was legal?

    Ha ha ha

  53. Sir Castrovilla III  September 18, 2009 at 9:54 am

    The reason the majority of the people support and love both Mel Zelaya & Hugo Chavez (the Great) are obvious to the honest observers.

    Zelaya, like the best world leaders are people who love the people and want to serve them, not exploit and control them.

    Those like Micheletti, who want to help the rich get richer, at the expense of the poor, who want to maintain the old order with most of the people living in poverty, while the elite strut around in luxury, will all fall by the wayside.

    The old order is dead. It is rotten and the stench is hideous. It’s time has past. Many people who come to this web site are trying to revive a dead horse. They are supporting scoundrels and enemies of democracy.

    The time has come for mankind to eliminate poverty. To do that we must eliminate unbridled greed. There is plenty for everyone, but the situation becomes ugly when some get too selfish and greedy.

    As usual, a small number of people cause most of the problems. With their greed, selfishness, and contempt for their brothers – they are like cancerous cells that suck the sacred lifeforce out of all that they touch.

    They are like a horrible gas that will pass. Mark my words.

    The time has come for: Peace on Earth & Goodwill to all- whether the most selfish among us like it or not. Don’t worry, nobody will force you to sing “Kumbaya” but you will be expected to pay your taxes, and not behave like cancerous tumors!
    :-)
    Castrovilla

    “Man must change or die.
    There is no other course.”
    The World Teacher

  54. Gln  September 18, 2009 at 8:09 am

    Several times it has been mentioned on this site that 10 rich families have great control of Honduras. Who are those 10 families? Are they in politics? Can anyone identify those families? Are Pepe or Mel on that list?

  55. Free Honduras  September 18, 2009 at 7:14 am

    Gentlemen. As you can tell from my posts, I agree with you that the removal of Mel was just and legal, and so it seems we agree on most points. I will ask you however, to refrain from turning this into an insult throwing contest. I disagree with Meg on almost all her points, but I do respect that she is passionate in her position. I am angry that that position is prolonging problems in Honduras, but I do defend her right to have that position. Let’s keep the focus on Mel’s problems, not Meg’s. Besides, if we want the world to see that we are on the side of truth, then we do not have to call eachother names.
    Respectfully

    Free Honduras

  56. miguel sanchez  September 18, 2009 at 3:09 am

    That zelaya is a real piece of work running around crying poor me homeless and brainless waiting on the two H’s to get him his job back Hillary& Hugo

  57. Esteban  September 18, 2009 at 12:51 am

    As “proof” Meg gives a court filing that will obviously not go anywhere and abunch of quotes from El Libertador and a bunch far left blog sights. This says alot more about where Meg gets her misinformation than it does about the truth. Quite the contrary. Everyone knows El Libertador would praise hell for its wonderful climate if Zelaya went to live there. This is nothing but shrill.misinformation by the left in an arrempt to resuscitate a failing cause.

    If all Meg is good for is to regurgitate these discredited sweepings form notoriously deceitful press I suggest we call her “Megaphone”. After all she just says thing often and loud hoping that if she is loud enough and says it often enough it will make them true.

  58. Duane  September 17, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Gracias Meg,
    I was able hacer un poco del espanol practico out of los articulos. Pero, they didn’t convince mi de su opinion. Soy happy that su estudia, ignorancia es un mal thing.

    Por favor no shoot mi para butchering espanol y mixing lo con ingles.

  59. loui  September 17, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    MEG,
    I don’t think you are getting it…..did you watch the fox news report yesterday ( Sept. 16,2009) at 7:30 p.m. whom one of the cronies of Zelaya was rolling the 2 million dollars of the people of honduras?I think some of it will be given to you.ha!ha!ha!!!!!

  60. Rob  September 17, 2009 at 9:17 pm

    Hey meg, since ur a internet nub… Ill teach you how to post proof.
    1.When you post “facts” dont just copy and paste them, you need to post the source of where you got it, what website are you citing?? That copy and paste could have come from someones email or your some college term paper that has no factual value.

    2. When using the copy and paste on a long article make sure to copy the most riveting, attention grabbing part of the article and not post the ENTIRE thing for ppl to just simple scroll down and ignore. Post the link and let your post reader decide if sh or she wants to read the article. The way you post it seems you wanna make us read it by force. (yup ur a melista).

    3. Dont post 10 continuous times, that just makes ANYONE just skip all your posts. Stick to one topic and let someone reply to it and debate.

    Im sure you already know ur not gonna convince anyone here that mel is a great person. You are the minority in these boards and that will usually mean you are wrong or getting paid to say such travesty. Mel himself has admitted to winning his presidency thru fraud and disorder.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Saj_fyfzw34&feature=PlayList&p=0967E03CEF75D6C6&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10
    proof!!! He admitted it. And dont come saying…ohh the video is edited…its clear he said he won thru fraud, his sentence where he admits confirms he was referring to fraud.

    Please Meg, GG or whoever you are. Dont troll these boards. Link your proof

  61. loui  September 17, 2009 at 9:08 pm

    MEG,
    I don’t think you are getting it…..just watch the fox news report yesterday ( Spt. 16,2009) at 7:30 p.m. where he crony of Zelaya was rolling he 2 million dollars of the people of honduras.I think some of it will be given to you.

  62. Canuk in Honduras  September 17, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    Meg – It is apparent from your statement that you really do believe that the evidence against Mel is substantial and sound. You make a lame excuse for Mel and then try to cloud the issue by pointing an accusing finger at Micheletti. Well, we were not discussing Micheletti and no matter what he did it does not clear Mel of his crimes. Mel remains a documented thief. Then you try to attack my credibility. To put your mind as ease, I have lived in Honduras for over 19 years and know a substantial amount about the people, the history and politics of this wonderful country. Cheers

  63. H. L. Russell  September 17, 2009 at 8:16 pm

    If Zelaya is innocent of all charges against him, and the majority of Hondurans want him back as some have stated, why does he not simply buy an airline ticket on a passenger plane and enter without all of the fanfare. I’m sure that he would be warmly received. If I was innocent of these charges I would be the man and leader that my people need. I would risk going to prison or go to prison to prove my innocence. Many a good man has spent time in jail for the sake of right, honor, and justice. The fact that Zelaya does not return tells me he is not much of a man or leader.

  64. CarlosM  September 17, 2009 at 7:51 pm

    Anybody with even a modicum of common sense would have simply have provided a link to the article rather than “cut and paste” entire paragraphs!

    –edited by admin

  65. Meg  September 17, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Here are the answer to who took the money from the people of Honduras.
    See if one of you can translate for your so call friends.

    EL LIBERTADOR aporta pruebas: El Heraldo mintió: Secretario de Seguridad hizo el retiro de cincuenta millones del Banco Central
    02/09/2009 23:11:00 El Libertador
    TamaÒo de la fuente:
    Por varias semanas El Heraldo dijo que los fondos de la bóveda del Banco Central de Honduras (BCH) fueron extraídos por el ministro de la Presidencia, Enrique Flores Lanza, incluso, mostraron fotos congeladas de un video asegurando que al suponer inculpaban al gobierno del Presidente Zelaya. EL LIBERTADOR aporta con esta publicación la verdad de los acontecimientos.

    Además, El Heraldo menciona que fue extraída la suma de 40 millones; EL LIBERTADOR demuestra que la cifra real retirada por el Secretario de Seguridad, Jorge Rodas Gamero fue de 50 millones, 950 mil lempiras.

    El Heraldo también ha dicho que se encontraron billetes en posesión de la gerente de la ENEE, Rixi Moncada, con serie similares a los sustraídos del BCH, los documentos que ha adquirido este periódico y que ahora traslada a sus lectores también desnudan esa mentira.

    El Equipo de Investigación de EL LIBERTADOR, después de varias semanas de búsqueda, encontró una nota del 3 de julio de 2009, seis días después del golpe de Estado, enviada por el Banco Central de Honduras a la abogada Karla Marcela Roque de la Fiscalía Especial Contra la Corrupción del Ministerio Público, en la que se detalla fechas de retiro, número de cuentas y las personas que por el Banco Central de Honduras entregaron 50 millones 950 mil lempiras a representantes de la Secretaría de Seguridad.

    EL LIBERTADOR buscó la reacción acerca de estas pruebas contundentes en las instancias públicas que corresponde que han mantenido un silencio cómplice mientras la prensa ha responsabilizado a gente inocente; pero el Ministerio Público mostro renuencia a dar entrevistas, la Secretaría de Seguridad tampoco opinó e igual comportamiento mostraron las autoridades del BCH.

    Redacción / EL LIBERTADOR

    Tegucigalpa. EL LIBERTADOR ha dejado al descubierto la campaña de desinformación que diario El Heraldo sostiene en contra del gobierno del Presidente Zelaya, acusando a varios de sus funcionarios de malversación de fondos.

    Entre los señalados por la prensa tradicional, sobre todo por El Heraldo, del retiro de 40 millones de lempiras del BCH) para financiar la Cuarta Urna está el Ministro de la Presidencia, Enrique Flores Lanza, la Secretaria de Energía, Rixi Moncada y el Presidente del Banco Central, Edwin Araque.

    Este periódico verificó que en verdad el dinero fue retirado, según documentos del BCH en poder de EL LIBERTADOR, pero no por las personas que ha mencionado El Heraldo, sino por el Secretario de Seguridad, Jorge Rodas Gamero y el monto ascendió a 50 millones, 950 mil lempiras, muy superior a la cifra que menciona El Heraldo.

    CONOZCA A LOS QUE HICIERON EL RETIRO

    Pruebas fehacientes confirman quienes retiraron dicha cantidad fueron: el Secretario de Seguridad, Jorge Rodas Gamero y el señor Santos Enamorado, quien retiró el día 24 de junio de la cuenta 11101-01-000389-1, perteneciente a esta cartera ministerial, cuarenta millones de lempiras, y en la misma también participaron Gladis Margarita Sánchez, Carlos Mejía y Otoniel Gross Castillo, siempre de la misma dependencia.

    La nota con número de oficio 1206/2009 enviada a la Fiscal contra la Corrupción, Karla Roque el dia 3 de julio, especifica los estados de cuenta, correspondientes a las cuentas 11101-01-000389-1 y 11101-01-00329-6, donde hace referencias a las ultimas transacciones realizadas en la misma.

    SE REALIZARON DOS OPERACIONES

    También se detalla otro retiro de diez millones de lempiras, a través del cheque de la Tesorería General de la República, número 260366, que se cobró el dia 26 de junio, en donde la fiscalía arriba mencionada, ya tiene en su poder la documentación que respaldó las dos transacciones, más los videos y fotografías correspondientes.

    Este rotativo en su interés de conocer las versiones de los protagonistas, acudió en primera instancia a la Secretaría de Seguridad, para conocer la reacción del titular del ramo. Sin embargo, su vocero, Orlin Cerrato informa que el coronel Rodas se encuentra fuera del país. En el ministerio público, se corrió igual su

    erte, la fiscal Roque no se encontraba en su despacho.

    DESINFORMAR PARA FORTALECER LA DICTADURA

    No cabe duda, que la información emitida por El Heraldo, en fechas anteriores, en donde acusa a Rixi Moncada, de haber abandonado en un hotel de la zona sur más de doscientos mil lempiras y que a criterio de ellos, los números de serie de los billetes concordaban con la cantidad retirada por Rodas Gamero. Asimismo acusan a Enrique Flores Lanza de haber “autorizado” el retiro de tal suma, pone en evidencia es sesgo de la información, ocultando las verdaderas personas que realizaron la transacción. Todo por consolidar el golpe de Estado y la dictadura político-militar que asaltó el gobierno desde el pasado 28 de junio de 2009.

  66. Meg  September 17, 2009 at 7:23 pm

    Good news guys! see if your friend can translate this for you!

    Second part:

    Tegucigalpa. La Corte Suprema de Justicia (CSJ), dio un plazo de 24 horas al Congreso Nacional (CN), para que presente un informe respecto a la imposición gubernamental de Roberto Micheletti, que justificó como “sucesión constitucional”, el día del golpe de Estado contra el Presidente Manuel Zelaya, el 28 de junio de 2009.

    En caso de que el Congreso no acate el mandato, la Sala de lo Constitucional tendría que anular el procedimiento y con eso ordenar la inmediata repatriación y restitución del Presidente Zelaya en el poder.

    Esto fue confirmado por el abogado Raúl Valeriano, quien explicó que a través de un recurso de apremio Zelaya podría retornar al país por orden directa de la CSJ si el Congreso continúa eludiendo, como en ocasiones anteriores, la orden emitida.

    El profesional del Derecho explicó que debido a la evidente negativa de informar lo que exactamente sucedió ese día (28 de junio), interpuso un recurso de apremio el cual fue admitido por la Sala de lo Constitucional, que exige un informe completo a la cámara legislativa.

    Valeriano insistió que en caso de que el Legislativo no presente la información requerida en el tiempo estipulado, “automáticamente queda anulado el decreto de sustitución al Presidente de la República lo que indica el regreso de Zelaya al poder”, aseveró.

  67. Meg  September 17, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    Good News! Maybe your friends can traslate this for you.

    La Corte Suprema de Justicia (CSJ), dio un plazo de 24 horas al Congreso Nacional (CN), para que presente un informe respecto a la imposición gubernamental de Roberto Micheletti, que justificó como “sucesión constitucional”, el día del golpe de Estado contra el Presidente Manuel Zelaya, el 28 de junio de 2009.

  68. concerned  September 17, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    Meg…Nice try….Changing information on a piece of paper can be done with any software program..Now try doing that with live video is near impossible, which you can see for yourself has the time and date on it ..What year was the supposed Micheletti envolvement with the Cartel de Cali?

    I would say that 90% of the people in Honduras and 98% of the people posting here are on the side of truth,peace and Democracy.

  69. Meg  September 17, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    Canuk in Honduras, There is refutable evidence that the members of Michelletti goverment, withdrew the money and make it look like if was Zelaya. He was frame. You can get all this information by contacting El Libertador, they have all the documentation about Micheletti envolvement with the Cartel de Cali, Colombia and how he did his money and become a millioner coming from a poor background in no time. You are in the side of the 10 riches families that are taking the food of my country. If you are not from Honduras and do not know anything about our life, get the info correct before you accuse my people or me.

  70. MABEL LOPEZ  September 17, 2009 at 4:43 pm

    I feel sorry for Xiomara Zelaya, as a daughter she is supposed to deffend her father even though he is a traitor. I remember when the Zelaya’s family moved to the presidential house, everybody in the Country was sorprised because the whole family were there, I meant, brothers, sisters, son and wife a the grand daughter. When the Ex-President started to appoint the excecutives for his government, he started from his family, this is really truth that is why the media reffered as EL FAMILION, when he knew about the critics he took some of them out of the government offices, but not all of them, cousins and uncles related to him and his wife stayed there.
    Later when ever he wanted to do something ridiculois I remember he always was stoped , during his mandate many absurds were stoped by the people as well as the Consulta, 4a.urna or ilegal referendum he wanted to take place in order to violate the Constitution of Honduras and subsequently to anulate the National Congress and the Supreme Court. All this mess he was doing lasted for the las three months before the 28 of june when he was ousted to Costa Rica. I think Xiomara shoud behave calm and silence and love his father for ever. I apologize for my errors. Thank you.

  71. Axel Reyes  September 17, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Meg, I imagine you meant to say that “she is very well educated” and that people with glass houses should not ‘throw’ stones.

    Education is not meassured only by academic achievements, it also come through by showing the kind of choices people prefer to make.

    You, for example, come across as a somewhat educated person, but look at what you choose for the people of Honduras, to ignore the facts that are the most glaring about our situation:

    Honduras does not have the economic strenght to support a Socialist Economy.

    The Honduran labourer is not ready yet to compete from a strong position in a world market.

    70% increase in minimun wages is simply stupid, no business in Honduras can pay that and survive.

    No every body has the capacity to lead other people to success, all over the world and throught history, leaders have made more money than the led ones.
    Leadership deserves to be paid for because of the wisdom and strenght that it takes to make decisions, Meg, you imply that you believe in world where every body is equal in all manners.

    You got it all wrong, we have equal rights, as well as equal responsabilities and duties, but some people show qualities that others lack, so we are not really equal.

  72. Axel Reyes  September 17, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    Meg is one of those people who are blind by choice, I keep on reading where she asks for proof.

    Meg, article 239 of the Constitution of Honduras is one big element of evidence, he clearly broke that one.

    That he was traitorous and a liar, well, if you choose to believe that turning Honduras over to Chavez and the Castro brothers is what Zelaya was elected for, allow me to remind you that that was not the case, he was elected under a different Party flag than that of the Communist party of Honduras.

    Also allow me to remind you that calling for Hondurans to spill their blood for a cause that so few of us support only shows his egocentric behaviour.

    As to him and his family not stealing Honduras people’s money, maybe you should know that the money you are talking about his family has was mostly obtained by illegaly cutting down trees all over Honduras while not paying taxes nor re-planting trees, so if for you, that is not stealing, we just go back to square one, you are blind by choice, the problem is that people who behave and believe like you bring a lot of pain and sorrow to countries like ours now.

    You keep on calling for social reforms which are impossible to achieve.

  73. Free Honduras  September 17, 2009 at 3:56 pm

    “The golpistas live in a bubble. They have a shared hatred for Hugo Chavez (the great) and their fear of Democracy and progress.”

    Youhave got to be kidding with this. Hu
    go Chavez is neither great nor interested in democracy. Do not forget that he was originally, and to many still, a traitor to his country. He made a failed attempt as a military leader to take over the government in a CLEAR military coup d’etat. There was no order by the Supreme Court for his actions, and no support from Congress. He simply wanted to take over the country. If he had succeeded, the country would have fallen to the hands of a dictator. Now he has stolen and lied his way into the presidency, and is corrupting the system. He is doing everything possible to crush the oposition by anti-democratic means in the extreme. The OAS refuses to acknowlege or put sanctions on his actions. He has thrown people in prison, persecuted others to the point that the flee the country, forced oposition radio and TV off the air, and has organized mobs to attack them. He is funding the FARC in an attempt to undermine the democratic country of Columbia. He has squandered countless funds that should have been used to improve the country and fight crime. He is not a great man. He is big and borish, and is meddling in the afairs of the countries around him in an attempt to consolidate his power.

    I do not know about any golpistas, at least not in Honduras because there are none there, but for me, yes, I dislike Chavez and may even hate him. He has encouraged Zelaya to creat so much trouble in my beloved Honduras and is trying to take away their freedoms. That I can not forgive easily. I know the truth in Honduras, I know the lies of Chavez and Zelaya, and I will fight to put a stop to them trying to continue there propogation of hatred.

    Free Honduras, tell Chavez to stick to meddling in his own country, or better yet, get a conscience and leave office so democracy can begin to recover in Venezuela.

  74. Canuk in Honduras  September 17, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    Meg wrote// Sep 17, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    “Pete, They had a lot of money before he became president. They do not need to take anybodies money.”
    For once Meg, I agree with you! But now Meg you must answer your own question. Why did Mel steal from the Honduran people?
    Videos of his Cabinet members carting out Millions of Lempiras from the Central Bank. Documented proof that he charged the Honduran people millions of Lempiras for his personal toys and luxury items.
    Meg, these thefts were from all Hondurans, which include the poor.
    Time to remove head from sand and face the truth.
    Please answer your question: Why did Mel steal from the Honduran people when he already had a lot of money?

  75. tony  September 17, 2009 at 2:52 pm

    meg….just becouse mel …..might have a lot of money….that does not mean he was not a thief … it is proven that he had 40 million lps taken out of your national bank you want to bring him back for a few month.. to take a lot more of …your… money ..[if you are honduren]…??

  76. Rob  September 17, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    And Sir Castrovilla III..you are obviously GG, cause your are posting the exact same “The truth will set them free’ crap.

  77. Sir Castrovilla III  September 17, 2009 at 1:25 pm

    The golpistas live in a bubble. They have a shared hatred for Hugo Chavez (the great) and their fear of Democracy and progress.

    The truth will set them free, but they are obviously not ready to accept it. Their fictitious “reality” is a dream, to the Honduran people it is a night mare.

  78. Canuk in Honduras  September 17, 2009 at 1:19 pm

    Duane // Sep 17, 2009 at 10:55 am

    “I am very impressed about Xiomara’s composition skills though, not bad at all.”

    I realize that you are being facetious, because it is obvious that someone educated in English wrote the article in her name.

  79. Meg  September 17, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    Pete, They had a lot of money before he became president. They do not need to take anybodies money. Where do you get your information sweetheart?

  80. Pete  September 17, 2009 at 11:58 am

    Oh Zio, and how many cars did Dad buy your brother with Honduran national funds? Did your Dad really use taxpayer dollars to feed his horses? Shame on you. Family first but, never at the expense of poor and the Nation!

  81. Meg  September 17, 2009 at 11:51 am

    In order for you to said that what she is saying is not true, you need to prove in you entry, that what you are saying is the true. So far I see a group of ignorant people just saying what ever come to your mind. Give us proves to support the alegations.
    She is a well educate woman and people who have glass houses should not through stones.
    Open you mind and analized thing before you judge. Do not allow your emotions to act out.

  82. Axel Reyes  September 17, 2009 at 11:44 am

    Amazing what Oil Money can do, ha?

    I am just amazed at how many Goverments and International Organization Leaders are trying to bend Honduras down to its knees.

    Fortunally the tie is starting to turn, we just have to keep strong, and as Hondurans, we should celebrate the way our Armed Forces and Police have behaved, it is not easy to keep your cool in the face of the enemy.

  83. CarlosM  September 17, 2009 at 11:16 am

    Yes, considering Xiomara’s English is practically non-existent, I am amazed at her linguistic abilities.

  84. Duane  September 17, 2009 at 10:55 am

    I am very impressed about Xiomara’s composition skills though, not bad at all.

  85. Duane  September 17, 2009 at 10:53 am

    My heart goes out to Xiomara. However, how can the entire congress, the supreme court, the military, and several other branches of government be wrong? I have read the Honduran constitution, there is no doubt in my mind that the government acted rightly. Chavez is a destroyer of nations, anyone who tries to befriend him is suicidal. Over and over President Zelaya tried to break the laws of his country. No doubt from the encouragement of his new master.

  86. Axel Reyes  September 17, 2009 at 10:21 am

    Stop the continuous lies.

  87. Axel Reyes  September 17, 2009 at 10:18 am

    Xiomara, are you training to be like your Dad?

    Lying to the people will alwyas have the same results, one of the problems with the kind of Goverment your Dad was trying to imposse is that once the people were to see through his lies, he would have already have impossed a Police State type of Goverment, thus allowing for him to silence the cries of the people that would oposse him.

    So, stop lying, he wanted to do all those ugly things he was accused of, he stole all the money he was accused of stealing, and he wanted to turn Honduras into a Socialist country under the influence of the Castro brothers and Chavez.

    Go lie to the people that want to believe you, not to the ones that know better about history and have been able to live in freedom.

  88. Axel Reyes  September 17, 2009 at 10:13 am

    Xiomara Zelaya, have you ever heard that saying “in my house the roof does not leak”?

    I can apreciate your love for your Dad, that is the way it should be; But when you choose to make people around you to ignore the obvious things change.

    You can keep your opinion of your Dad, but the facts of his actions indicate something different that what you say.

    He befriended the worst dictators in this Continent, has repeatedlly praised their actions, even though their goverments are very repressive of their people.

    He also made it very clear that he wanted to emulate Chavez way of governing and bring it to Honduras.

    He chose to ignore the calls of the Honduran people to move away from the leftist tilt he was bringing to the country.

    He chose to ignore warnings that his proceedings regardin the 4 ballot were illegal and could bring trouble for his presidency.

    He published a decree of lawin the official newspaper ‘La Gazeta’ on the saturday previous to his removal that would have allowed for the results of the ‘Poll’ to be used to call for a Constituent Board in July, not November.

    In other words, he intended to do everything he is being accused of.

    It is Ok to lie to yourself, but stop repeating your Dad’s behaviour, do not lie to the people.

    And to close, do not forget that the votes that were given to him originally had nothing to do with turning Honduras into a Socialist dictatorship, so he stole those votes.

  89. Free Honduras  September 17, 2009 at 9:37 am

    As for Xiomara Zelaya “Castro”, she is biased as any child would be when their parents are accused. I feel her struggle and the shame must be unbearable. However, she bends the facts beyond the breaking point. The truth is that her father was not interested in helping the poor, and there is documented evidence of the depth of his corruptuion. She makes a failed attempt to illegitimize the Supremes Court Authority, which no only has the legal right to interpret and apply the Constitution, but is bound to do so. Zelaya did not help the poor by increasing the mininum wage, but actually caused more than 15000 business to fail and countless employees to loose their jobs. He decided to join ALBA with out the approval of the people and their representitives in congress, and anyone with the will to investigate can see what his true intensions were. His removal has been a great victory for Hodnuras. If the people truly wish to review the articles of the Constitution that are allowed to be ammended, there is a process for doing so, and it is clear that the president may not do so. Although the articles were written before Hugo Chavez came to power, the authors of the constitution new the dangers of allow the president to mess with the Constitution, and so they made it illegal in the extreme.
    Xiomara, I know it must be difficult to have grown up knowing that your Grandfather was a murderer, so now to accept your Fathers discrace must be very hard. However, if you truly care for Honduras, you will do exactly that. Your Father was justly removed in a legal proceeding that then had to be executed by the military, and he can not legally return as president. You have my sympathy, but you must move on and accept the truth.

    Free Honduras

  90. Free Honduras  September 17, 2009 at 9:23 am

    I encourage all to follow the link to this article. It is extremely well thought out and shows great promiss in the youth of the USA.

    Keep spreading the truth that democracy and stable government exists in Honduras. Free Honduras

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